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	<title>Comments on: The &#8220;Heresy&#8221; of Particular Love</title>
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		<title>By: Stephen Newell</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 01:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jay,

Either your objection contradicts itself, or you did not read the post very clearly.  You write:

&lt;i&gt;but didn’t John say that “we loved because God first loved us”. It seems that you are putting the cart before the horse. God decides who will receive particular love based on who will love Him. So is he “waiting” for us to love/believe in Him so that he can extend particular love to us?&lt;/i&gt;

Nowhere in this post do I argue that God is &quot;waiting for us to love him.&quot;  I don&#039;t understand how you get this from my argument at all.  If, instead you are asserting that &quot;God decides who will receive particular love based on who will love him,&quot; I challenge you to show this Scripturally, especially in light of the Scriptures.

The verses prior to John 3:16 actually &lt;i&gt;support&lt;/i&gt; how I have presented it here.  Remember, the Spirit goes where it wills, and it is this way with every person who is born of God.  That means there is an act of God prior to our belief.

If, instead you are conflating my argument with Falwell&#039;s in this post, I encourage you to go back and re-read the post more carefully.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay,</p>
<p>Either your objection contradicts itself, or you did not read the post very clearly.  You write:</p>
<p><i>but didn’t John say that “we loved because God first loved us”. It seems that you are putting the cart before the horse. God decides who will receive particular love based on who will love Him. So is he “waiting” for us to love/believe in Him so that he can extend particular love to us?</i></p>
<p>Nowhere in this post do I argue that God is &#8220;waiting for us to love him.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t understand how you get this from my argument at all.  If, instead you are asserting that &#8220;God decides who will receive particular love based on who will love him,&#8221; I challenge you to show this Scripturally, especially in light of the Scriptures.</p>
<p>The verses prior to John 3:16 actually <i>support</i> how I have presented it here.  Remember, the Spirit goes where it wills, and it is this way with every person who is born of God.  That means there is an act of God prior to our belief.</p>
<p>If, instead you are conflating my argument with Falwell&#8217;s in this post, I encourage you to go back and re-read the post more carefully.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Mathis</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 15:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[but didn&#039;t John say that &quot;we loved because God first loved us&quot;.   It seems that you are putting the cart before the horse.  God decides who will receive particular love based on who will love Him.  So is he &quot;waiting&quot; for us to love/believe in Him so that he can extend particular love to us?  What if no one ever believed in Him?  

and also... He loved Jacob and hated Esau before they had done anything good or bad.  Neither of them had loved or believed in Him.     

Your logic for John 3:16 even seems inconsistent if you read the passages before it.  We must be &quot;born again&quot;.  That is not dependent on our belief.  or are we born again after we believe.  (that clearly would not make sense).

It seems like you have the order of things backwards.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but didn&#8217;t John say that &#8220;we loved because God first loved us&#8221;.   It seems that you are putting the cart before the horse.  God decides who will receive particular love based on who will love Him.  So is he &#8220;waiting&#8221; for us to love/believe in Him so that he can extend particular love to us?  What if no one ever believed in Him?  </p>
<p>and also&#8230; He loved Jacob and hated Esau before they had done anything good or bad.  Neither of them had loved or believed in Him.     </p>
<p>Your logic for John 3:16 even seems inconsistent if you read the passages before it.  We must be &#8220;born again&#8221;.  That is not dependent on our belief.  or are we born again after we believe.  (that clearly would not make sense).</p>
<p>It seems like you have the order of things backwards.</p>
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